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Will things get better after new president is voted in?

Post: # 117546Post Vorlin
Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:14 pm

Subject is, as the title shows, will things get better in the US after the new president is voted in? Now I've given a lot of thought as of late considering this is looking to be one of the more "glorified" presidential elections. We all pretty much have to concede that more than likely (loosely used) Obama's gonna get the presidency. Hell, he has more publicity both on the internet and in magazines than I've ever seen a single presidential party has ever had. Mom got her latest People magazine (why she reads that shit is beyond me, I don't care who the "Top 100 Most Beautiful People" are or give two shits about "Bush's daughter's marriage" or some other crap like that that they consider "reading" material) and on the front of it was "Obama's family life" or something similar and of course, he, his wife, and kids are all on the front...like "WHO CARES - THEY BLEED, SHIT, BREATHE, AND DIE JUST LIKE WE ALL DO"...but I digress.

The economy's in the toilet, the housing market absolutely sucks and for some idiotic reason, houses and apartments are STILL being built, nobody's going on vacation much because of the outrageous cost of oil (max I think I've seen it is $148 per barrel), people are switching back over to carpooling to help save on gas given the crazy commutes that a lot of us have to do, airline industry is still in the tank and going further downhill as I speak because of all the cost cutting measures they're doing to save as much as possible (most have it so that snacks are getting less and less, and what you do have as any kind of real meal is a sandwich and some chips and a drink, all of which you have to buy). And we've not even gotten into this whole "war" that we're still involved in. That's just a downward spiral all over.

What we need, and we needed it like two years ago but now would be a good time, is a vast amount of positive and upward-moving changes. This shit can't go on any longer and I for one am fed up with all these bullshit claims that all these political candidates are (of course) promising the country when we all know damned well that whoever talks the most false bs will get voted in and then we'll never hear from them until the next voting season. If Obama gets presidency, all he has to do is serve one term and then he'll still make $450,000 a year for the rest of his life and never have to worry, all the while the US populous still suffers with all these failings and shortcomings. Jobs are more and more scarce, people are getting cut back, laid off, "let go" (due to that almighty "restructuring" shit), etc. A few more years of this and it really will be heavily considered by a lot of people to move to another country. I used to believe that there was no other country as great as the US to be in but now I can't really say that now. If it's so great, why are we letting it erode into the vast corruption and political scandal that we see all day long every day? I realize that every country has it's own positives and negatives and that'll never change, but damn...since 9/11, this compounded has done nothing but gone downhill.

I also realize that my title in this targets the new president. I understand that the president is just a tiny cog in the grand scheme of things and that a lot of this that I've mentioned is all handled by Congress, etc. Therein lies the problem. Get these old crusty ass people in the Senate and the House OUT...some have been in there for DECADES and what is shown for it? Senate/House should be just like the Presidency - two terms for Senate (2 4-year terms) and four terms for the House (4 2-year terms) and that's that. Get some new blood in there and get rid of the "blood" that's in there now that got voted in back in 1965 or whatever and is still trying to work a system that was back then. Maybe then we might see some new improvements and such.

I'm still proud to be an American either way. The USA is probably the only country in the world that has the vastness AND the most mixed population of people that have come from all over the world to live. I wish that all of the population in the US were proud citizens because maybe then we could cut ourselves away from having to buy something from Wal-mart that's made in China. Face it, let's just stop making tags for everything that says that and just put on the front door in big letters "EVERYTHING IN HERE IS EITHER MADE IN CHINA, JAPAN, TAIWAN, OR SOMEWHERE ELSE OTHER THAN THE USA". When did the pride go down so much that we have to buy something made in those other countries? If I had my way, if I ran into someone who called themselves an american and they said something like "Man, nothing made in the US is worth the toilet paper I use to wipe my ass", I'd deport them for a year or so overseas into one of these other 2nd/3rd world countries and let them deal with that.

It's just another thing that demoralizes even more. No country pride, no matter how many state stickers you put on your car, no matter how many american flags you fly at home or have stickers of on your car, etc...none of that will improve the fact that probably more than half the country doesn't have any real pride. Go to a baseball game and see how many people actually put their right hand over their chest at the National Anthem being played; you won't see too many and that's probably the most sickening thing of all. If one's not going to show respect in that manner, they need to just be sent back to whatever country they came from or if they're from here, they need a good US ass-kicking a few times over because for all that our soldiers are dying for overseas, we have these shitty "citizens" who degrade all of that.

Gah, I rambled on and on, I know...just wanted to get that all out, hehe.



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Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:40 pm

I also realize that my title in this targets the new president. I understand that the president is just a tiny cog in the grand scheme of things and that a lot of this that I've mentioned is all handled by Congress, etc.


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Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:54 pm

The President and the Congress don't run the Country...the campaign contributors and special interest groups do.
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Post: # 117552Post Vorlin
Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:04 pm

Oh it's "contributors" and "special interest" groups alright...nothing more than money and "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" ideology, IMHO. Sure, it'll never end and I hate the fact that buyouts with said money and favors done behind closed door deals are more rampant than I even want to think about. I'd love to kick in the door to some of those (as many as I could get away with anyways) and get medieval...
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Post: # 117554Post |3lack|ce
Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:14 pm

Here we go.... new president time and the age-old question is again asked: Will things improve.

Yes, the beatings will continue until morale improves, but it's CONGRESS, not the President, who can and will change the economy, for it is THEY, not HIM, who determine if his suggested budgets are approved, if his apportioning of drilling rights are allowed, if his tax rebates/cuts are permitted.

US Government in a nutshell:

President == Cop - enforces rules
Congress == Makes rules, inventing them as necessary.
Supreme Court == Decides which rules aren't legal, plays golf, decides to work if and when it so desires.

So does it really matter if Liberal Obama (who frankly scares the shit out of me) or Moderate McCain (who also scares the shit out of me) get into office? Only for 4 years bro, only 4 years...

Hmm. I wonder if NOW would be a good time to apply for that work visa to the UK.


(and for you quiet majority out there who are like me and scared shitless which way to vote, check this out:)

Obama's promise to "End the War" is HORSESHIT. This war on terrorism (a concept, mind you, but I've said that a billion times in the past) is Congressionally declared. El Presidente couldn't halt it if he tried without their approval.

McCain's "business as usual" policy on it is the norm - amazingly enough the old fart's correct (at least in my humble but educated opinion).

Now back to the Eggman and Ally - yep, you're right. If you wanna know where the power is, follow the money trail. Same thing in your own countries I'm sure.
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:15 am

Not much will change really. If it does, it won't be because of the elected president. Obama will help our country's image abroad and give people the illusion of improvement--which might help form a self fullfilling prophecy of sorts. Doubtful, but we can only hope.

Obamma will never pass a single one of his ideologically and symantically flawed socialist bills. Essentially a figure head.

Juan McSame will be Bush 2.0 with a dose of recovered pride and tongue-and-cheek graciousness.

I'll just be looking to impeach congress if they bail out anymore businesses. The USA was born from Capitalism--IE: Economic Darwinism. Contradict this and you condemn the nation to a death of rapid decline as we have only begun to feel the effects of.
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:20 am

Maybe the US citizens need to get the backbone they (the majority anyway) accused the rest of the world of lacking, back in 2001. One little economic depression and the nationalism/patriotism flies out the window. Suck it up. Gas prices in europe are double to triple as high as those in the US. And as the self proclamed model for democracy worldwide, US wrongdoings related to the government are by representation errors in judgement of the voters. AFAIK even last election, more or less half of the voters voted for bush, his war and whatever else he stood for. It's also naive to think the US government is the sole force behind whatever is wrong in the US, the economy and the rest of the world.

I can understand the frustration, and though someof the nations that did look up to the US stopped doing so lately, maybe some old fashioned cowboy balls will get you more respect then just whining about it.

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Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:26 am

OOh better one:
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:28 am

Kwiep wrote:I can understand the frustration, and though someof the nations that did look up to the US stopped doing so lately, maybe some old fashioned cowboy balls will get you more respect then just whining about it.
No need to apologize, I completely agree. Exponentially, every Post WWII generation fostered a lazy, soft, unsacrificing mode of self-entitlement that has finally apexed to its current state. People got so used to riding the successful of the past that they became weak. If you look at history, the same could be said about many great civilations. The USA is not immune to history.
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Post: # 117581Post Vorlin
Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:33 am

Some good points were definitely brought up and I fully agree, the majority of the US needs to f'ing get their act together and start paying attention to a lot more of what's really going on, what's really happening abroad and in-country, and stop with the atypical bs approaches. Personally, I voted democrat at Bush's second term vote, due to what I had seen, read about from multiple sources, etc. Most people that do vote in the US do so by the general methodology of voting and that's "who has the most signs right outside the voting polls" and they don't do any studying on what that person is going to do, what their values are, how they're going to handle current and upcoming events, the list goes on. I'd rather know the most I can about whoever I'm voting for and not just because they're republican, democratic, conservative, liberal, independent.

One thing that is in our favor is at least we have a choice. Voting is a privilege and if one doesn't get off their fat lazy ass and put in their one count, then they don't deserve to have that privilege nor any of the others I can name off. Living in Saudi Arabia for 10 years, I learned more about how NOT to run a country and saw more racism and discrimination against anyone who wasn't muslim or arab than I can even totally remember and voting, yeah...you mean that privilege here in the US and other countries that doesn't exist over there?

As far as the gas prices in europe being double/triple that of over here, most, if not all, have small countries and the major cities have public transportation all over the place. That's not feasible to do in the US in all the states. Take Texas, on of the largest states in the continental US landmass, from the east border going into Louisiana (Shreveport) going west on I-10 to El Paso is EIGHT HUNDRED AND NINETY SEVEN MILES...yeah, sucking it up means DO NOT MISS THAT LAST GAS STATION FOR 200+ MILES.

For me, I'll take my voting privilege and make the best use of it as I can.
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:55 pm

We could always give you Gordon Brown and our Labor party..they would sort your country out....
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:00 pm

Voting is a privilege
I disagree. Voting is, or should be to any sovereign citizen who actually cares about his franchise, a most solemn obligation.

I personally vote in any and every election in my district, no matter how small or tedious the issues or candidates.

I could go on - I'm feeling very much in the dissertation mood this morning, but work restrains me, so I'll close with - the rest of your post was spot-on Vorlin.
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Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:41 pm

Let me offer a bit more of a semi-positive viewpoint:
Hell, he has more publicity both on the internet and in magazines than I've ever seen a single presidential party has ever had.
I've heard a lot of negative stuff on him though, and virtually nothing positive or negative about McCain. I'm curious to see how that pans out -- McCain might get enough "well he's not Obama" votes to pull ahead for all we know.
The economy's in the toilet
Is it? No it's not going too terribly grand, but we are not yet in a recession, much less a depression.
the housing market absolutely sucks
Tell that to a home buyer! As one who's considering buying a home within the next couple of years, things look pretty darn nice.
nobody's going on vacation much because of the outrageous cost of oil
I've gone on a couple of vacations over the past four months -- one for the honeymoon, another to visit friends. I've already recovered all the funds I spent on the honeymoon and reinvested it into savings, and the recent weekend vacation barely dented our wallets. And we're very much middle class. I drive an '06 Honda Civic which helps unbelievably with coping with gas prices, and we're just cautiously smart with our spending.
And we've not even gotten into this whole "war" that we're still involved in.
Which, historically speaking, is at least going smoother than our previous wars -- as I understand it anyway. It's uglier and more complicated, but we're losing fewer soldiers than wars past.

And as for all these lay offs? I might mention I was laid off at the beginning of this year. Severance pay and savings got us through, and after a month of unemployment were still by the grace of God still able to afford the honeymoon, and I landed my current job just in time. I was diligent and persistent in landing another job as soon as possible, and just absolutely refused letting my getting laid off put me down -- I was job searching within a couple of hours of getting laid off. It paid off, and I'm now working the best job I've yet landed since college.

That all said, I think the media has a LOT of blame for this. They're talking depression and we haven't hit the recession yet. It's constant doom and gloom and chaos every where you turn -- whether it actually exists or not. Democrats constantly talk about how the world is ending, and Republicans constantly talk about how the world is going to end if Democrats win. Who in the world thinks about what's going right nowadays? Anyone?

Someone on the local radio made an interesting statement the other day -- The United States is unsatisfied because it continually sets an incredibly high bar. Though we're doing well, we're a country that strives to do exceptionally, so doing "well" is perceived as doing "poorly" since our expectations are what they are.
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Post: # 117642Post Vorlin
Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:16 pm

James, just to add to your comments with a bit better explanation from me (I really shouldn't post at ungodly times in the morning after work, hehe).

Economy being in the toilet - I say that because everything is affected by the fluctuating oil market as well as other factors. It's not horrible (yet) so I'd say your bit on not in a recession or depression is pretty on par.

Housing market - yes, it does suck, at least where I'm at it does. You can go down the street about 5 miles and within those 5 miles, you'll count well over 30 houses visible from the road that are for sale, most of them with "Reduced" for sale signs. Some of them have been for sale for well over 6-7 months, some even longer than that. Things would be fine for a new home buyer as they have a lot of choices to choose from and get something more for potentially less than the actual value of the house/land they're looking at so for them it's a win-win situation. Oh, I'm also not counting the new developments that have sprung up so that'll add to the amount for sale.

Lack of vacation - once again, around here it's not good. My dad works out at Westinghouse and he says that nobody's taken more than 2-3 days off for a "vacation" and they're stockpiling their hours "just in case" there are any layoffs or the person retires/quits and they'll be able to cash in their up-to-300 hours for regular pay. That's just one business so I can only imagine other major industries having the similar situation going on. And those that work part-time or in a place where it's already hard to take a real vacation, it's not looking good in that aspect either. It'll improve though over time.

The war - this is a touchy one, I know, and yes we've lost less soldiers in this one than in previous ones. But guess what? A life lost due to combat is one thing as every soldier knows what they're potentially giving. A life lost due to the whole ROE issue when "fighting" an enemy who has no compunction for any human life whether its civilians, americans, chinese, africans, etc etc. This war is a direct reminder of Vietnam, at least to me. I say let them know that all our bullets have been coated with pig fat and bacon grease, but that's just me.

In the end, it will improve, but it'll still take a concerted effort on all sides from ALL people. And yes, you're exactly right, I blame the media to an entire extensive level as all they're trying to do is get a story out, all the while distorting the image of what's really going on. We need to send them into the war and not armed with a camera. To see a glimpse of a reporter's life changed, check out "We were soldiers" with Mel Gibson and Barry Pepper. It might be glamorized a little but he went in as a reporter and came out a totally different person.
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